Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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308 Comments

  • @4:16pm Constipated Complan Boy

    Hahahaha

    What nonsense… abey tihari inmate #420 your Queen is manipulating the figures so who in their right mind is gonna believe these figures except for the mentally challenged n criminally insane… but luckily for you you fit into both the aforementioned categories so if it makes you happy then your Queens maha crap RAEESA BHABHI has also beaten Dangals record…!

  • I trust u indicine, whatever figure u will show, I’ll accept it. I can see that u guys try your best to not get biased.

  • Raees must watch wow srk u are best actor .5 reasons to watch Raees more than 4 times in theatres. 1.srk new actions.new look 2. Srk come back in negatives role.3.srk awesome film after 2 years4.national award director rahul made Raees .5.Raees is masala family entertainment action real story so guys go and watch Raees wow.

  • This INFLATION thing always happens with SRK films, Maximum times He is the producer of his movies….& To satisfy his ego , to show that he is a bigger than other stars, to stay away from reality of his de -growing stardom….He does this INFLATION and manipulation, examples below-
    1. Happy new year first day collections ( 2-3 years back ) when screen were less as compared to now, were shown 44.97 cr, my point- Dangal ,which ran to full capacity on few days during its initial run, could not reach 44+, when it had more screens,higher ticket price,appreciation.
    2. Prem ratan dhan payo- Opened on highest screens, released on best day from box office point of view,still collected 41.75, as that much was the business potential.
    3.SRK released hi final collections of Happy new year just bit more that 3 idiots, to keep in 200 crore club and to be counted above Aamir khan movie in any list.
    4.Screen Manipulation by SRK- All of you need to be fair and notice that this screen fight in clash happens only when SRK is involved as he messes things with his Over Manipulative nature rather insecure nature…CE v/S OUATIMD….he ditched Jeetendra ji, Raees v/S Kaabil…Ditched Rakesh ji, JTHJ v/S SOS- He tried a lot but Ajay gave him a solid fight by taking up the wrong practice strongly.
    So folks, It’s nit only business for SRK but for all, He should remain fair than only others will remain fair.
    I am not favoring Kaabil’s inflated numbers but Just want to say that its SRK who starts all these dirty games and cheating in name of business.

  • @indicine

    Are you ever going to address this question.

    Why are you including KAABIL BO collection in all languages (telugu, tamil) inHindi ?

    day1 for hindi only is 7.5. day3 for hindi only is 7.75-8.00. etc etc.

  • well Srk is flop now and cant compete wth Salman and Aamir. He has to inflate figures to save his face. Sad to see kaabil makers inflated too. Why? means how can this help them or their movie? No one go for a movie only bcoz its earning crs. People go to watch good movie and of their fav actor. 20 , 8 or 100 crs doesnt matter to common man as they are not the one who is getting the money. its not going into their bank accounts at all. So why would they care? Those SRK fans who are bashing and blaming Rakesh ji shame on you. Your idol did the same not for raees but also for HNY, DIWALE, RA ONE FAN .RED CHILLI CALCULATOR still SRK movies are flop. KRK is right is SRK is no where near to Salman and AAmir. one who said SRK has no choice and Rakesh ji should be blame why he should be blamed? why SRK is sacred? why he doenst believe his stardom and power? why he needs to if he think he make a good movie? Tomorrow if Rakesh ji jump into a well or murder would SRK do the same? SRK is no saint and a old player in this game.Shame on you to use abd words for elders and for those who dont even know you. You are just showing your class and upbringing. Bw people have no shame.

  • @sky bro, PRDP was collected 198 cr all version as per BOI and official declared by fox is 211cr. So, if we count the difference Between trade and official only different 13cr, its not too high. And also don’t forget PRDP fix rental release in many state, so doubt to trade collection too who are giving lower than official.

  • @Indicine why you want to include dubbed version? It should be only hindi version. If not so why your site shows bahubali collection only 113 cr? Please explain?

  • Thank you Indicine. Kudos to you guys for finally doing this. There maybe discrepancy but everything has a limit. I am mad at RCE for doing this but Rakesh Roshan has crossed all lines. Unbelievable level of dishonesty.

    Keep up the good work and your followers won’t care if your numbers aren’t exact. As long as they are around the actual numbers and you are neutral, you’ll keep your credibility.

  • Salman khan , Akshay , Amir n Ranbir kapoor are honest….they are showing real figure but….

    Srk,Hrithik n Ajay always manipulate their collection n hrithik is baap of all shame on guys…these actors should ban in film industry

  • I guess it’s best to follow Box-Office India website data unless there’s a credible source that tracks box office for all movies in India.
    In fact people should actually stop caring about box office numbers. Audience should just stick to only watching or not watching a movie.

  • Hats off to u Indicine for posting such a balanced article without any bias….Its really ridiculous that producers have to resort to such stupidity to win d box office game !

  • Hats off to you @indicine for showing the gut to speak the truth.

    Have been asking you to do this since last 3 years. Finally you have come up with a atom bomb. I must say “Der Aaya but Durust Aaya”.

  • #indicine has shown the courge to not believe Baba Gurmeet, Red Chilli & Filmkraft calculators figures blindly. But some morons (mostly sarooktards & jaadootards) are blabbering nonsenses on #indicine rather than appreating it.
    #Bloody idiot.

  • Trade figure and producer.figure may be different just 5 to 10cr, Thats normal, But Mr.Rakeshnroshan what he is doing… 2nd friday collection as per rakesh 6cr, trade figure just 2 cr, what the hell he is doing..Actually Boxofficeindia site is also fake, if we ask them total collection of raeez or kaabil in kerala, they don’t have answer, Bcoz their figure also just estimates not accurate..

  • @Saksham

    Still believing official figures!!! Have you lost your mind or what??? According to official figures Baba Gurmeet has delivered multiple 200cr grossers.?? Should we believe this???

  • At first indicine wrote an article defending the collections shown by the producers saying only producers can predict better and now indicine is doing the opposite. I don’t know why??? The only site which never clarifies anything and go on giving the collections is BOI and that’s why I trust it more than any other sites. Indicine is also doing good but with Raees and Kaabil it has lost its credibility a bit by defending the producer’s figure when people started saying kaaabil collections are wrong and now indicine is defending its own figures as people started doubting Raees collections as well.

  • @Navin

    Today you’ve provided the wholesome entertainment to all #indicine’s users. You rock big time??

  • Dear people i have a question, on the 2nd day when Hny released BOI quoted their figure 41cr(incl. All version) after week one their figue comes down 39cr , then 38, now 36cr, how its possible???, boxofficeindia played mindblowing game here to promote their site,…they don’t have theatre wise collection report, they just estimating figurenaccording to their wish,

  • Srk fans are chanting that their gigastar has started doing manipulation after seeing Roshans. What kind of excuse this is?? Pakistan sponsors terror. Does it mean India should start doing the same & become a home for terrorist like Hafiz Saeed, Daud Ibrahim etc???

  • Alok Nath: U urself said that the kaabil is not kind of movie that will open huge and u also think that SRK played dirty game by taking 60% of screens. if u can think the movie cannot open huge they why not the distributors. they also have had the same feeling for kaabil and that’s why they allotted 60% of screens to Raees and one more important thing is the SRK is way bigger star than hrithik and hence his movies, whether good or bad, is bound to get max screens. it is applicable to all the actors. when bang bang and haider released on same date no one made excuse that bang abng got more screens as compared to haider???why???kyunki wahaan hrithik ko zyaada mili thi screen. it all about perception and crowd pulling power of a star. jab bhi clash hoga to jiski star power zyaada hogi usi ko zyaada screens milegi ye simple funda hai bhai. if public had rejected the film form Monday onwards theatre owners would have replaced raees with kaabil as happened with once upon a time in Mumbai dubara. after seeing the results more screens were given to Chennai express and the same happened with dilwale and bajirao mastani.

  • @Irfan : Tu kar kya legaa ?? Ek toh tera idol manipulator aur ch0r upar se tera seena zor ??? Get lost you chameleon, shameless retard….

  • @indicine do answer me if u have guts and also post this if u have guts !!
    On the day of release every trade and bollywood site was expecting a 22+ crore collection from raees but raees makers didnt manipulated a lakh and gave exactly 20.42 crores !! Even u were expecting 22 crore opening !! But now u r saying it is 19.75 only ?? Just to degrade raees and to make hr fans happy why are u trying to degrade raees !! I have been watching it from a few days now that u r spreading negativity about raees either from ur article or from twitter tweets ?? Plzz reply why ?? And when every one expected kaabils collection as 7.5 u r bow reporting8.5 ?? Everywhere u r trying to make sure that diff bw kaabil and raees becomes less !!
    Btw 2 min silence for those people who are blaming srk for all this stuff !!
    The only one guy responsible for all this is HR and his Takla papa !! First they said they believe in muhrat and that they are not going shift the date because of it but then they preponed it by a day !! Then they started crying for 60/40 !! I dont understand why the hell should exhibitors give them 50% screens when no one wants to watch kaabil !! Advance booking of raees was more than 4 times that of kaabil !! And in 40% screens only the occupance was as low as 25% throughout the day !! But they blamed 40% screens for a poor opening !! Now that they knew they will lose badly they starting manipulating like anything i have never seen before !! 3 crore each day is something beyond expectation !! All this while raees makers were quite and their movie raees was giving all the answers !! But after 1st week when kaabil makers didnt stop manipulating they were forced to inflate their collection as well !! Warna takla bolta ki kaabil clash jeet gya !! But even after watching how shameless HR and his papa is other fan base are supporting them just because they hate SRK !! Where as he hasnt even said anything or did anything !! I request everyone to bash takla so that in future he never do something like he has done this time !!
    And the most funnything is that Rakesh roshan was talking about ethics and manners but just see how much shameless he actually is !! Same is true for Hrithik !!
    After this incident i have lost all faith in hrithik and i will never support a shameless guy like him in future !!
    This time he has shown his true face to us !!
    Thank you for reading i only said truth and i know indicine is not going to post this !!

  • And the most important thing is Indicine posted kaabils figure when they were manipulating !! But when raees started manipulating as well (aag ko aag se jalao) then indicine reacted like this !! This clearly shows the credibility of indicine !! Fake site !! I m 100% sure than takla has paid them !! Before this clash indicine was my fav site !! Most unbiased !! But the way they supported takla throughout showed their credibility !!

  • great job done by indicine team . from onwords my 20 friends will join u soon. keep it up. your views are going to increase congrats in advance nice step towards manipulation. congrats once again. my respect increase for you guys. and sorry for myharsh comment in past

  • Srk is the cheapest nanipulator who doesnt have any stardom and shows fake wannabe over hyped stardom. And his gawaar, 2 kodi ka ekka dukka fans(is exist on planet earth) bark all day and night on ultimate biggest megastar on earth Aamir Khan. Aamir is baap of tiny star srk in megastardom. Rice cant even collect dangal’s 4 days collections in its life time. Shame on such stardom. Thoooo.!!!

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