Kaabil and Raees: Inflated Box Office Collections and our estimates!

There comes a time when a strong stand has to be taken against the inflation of box office collections – which has crossed all possible limits with the release of Raees and Kaabil. The theatres are empty but the collections, both films combined, are at record levels for weekdays.

Before we begin, credit should go to Red Chillies and Excel for keeping the collections at reasonable levels throughout the weekend. They probably had no choice but to inflate Monday onwards because the other film would’ve otherwise overtaken them and that would mean negative reports in the mainstream media – which follows official figures. But that’s no excuse for inflation to levels of insanity when the film isn’t even collecting half of what they have quoted.

There’s been plenty of action behind-the-scenes too. A leaked audio clip had a PR instructing her people that the film has to cross a particular number on Monday. The producer of one of the two films had a spat with a leading trade analyst because he did not quote the official figures on his television show. Success has been celebrated multiple times through parties, numerous media interactions claiming victory – even though the final box office numbers of both films wouldn’t do justice to the stardom of both stars.

What’s been most embarrassing for the industry and the trade is the sheer desperation from both sides to spread the word through the media that the two films are bigger successes than they actually are.

From our site’s point of view, exposing the lies and revealing the truth has quite a few negative effects too. We could lose out on visitors, our traffic could drop, because the craze for box office numbers has reached such a stage where people only want to believe the source that quotes the higher number.

But with the producer numbers crossing all limits of sanity, our credibility, which we’ve built over a period of more than 10 years, is at stake. It’s disappointing because we haven’t been able to do what we love to do. We love analysing the trends, predicting the lifetime collections, giving our readers comparisons between different films – unfortunately, inflation of collections has killed our own interest and has also stopped us from posting our daily box office reports.

Some other random thoughts:

  • The Indian box office is immensely difficult to track, especially the single screens / fixed rentals. On a daily basis, almost impossible. Most figures that are put out are estimates based on collections from multiplexes, links to live theatre samples, circuit figures etc.
  • But inflation even happens at the exhibitor (theatre) level and more so at circuit level – depending on which star or film they are siding with. Very few are neutral and even fewer are honest when it comes to these big films. For example, we receive Rajasthan circuit figures from two different people, and both are quoting different figures for each day.
  • The ‘trade source’ which most people quote, has been at it too over the first few days. Not including collections from the dubbed versions is wrong and completely writing off one film on the first day of release itself is unethical, especially in a clash when the reports aren’t as bad a Mohenjo Daro. Also, 5% inflation of one film and 5% deflation (reduction) of the other, can make a massive difference to the final outcome. Which is why we think, if Rakesh Roshan had kept the figures to actual levels, his film would’ve still been at a fairly good total going in to the second weekend.
  • Also, who takes into account the ticket sold in the first weekend through brand promoters? Without taking any name, a huge amount of tickets were sold in bulk at discounted prices to corporates and brand promoters in the first weekend, which helped boost the collections. As per information from industry insiders, this itself is about 10% of the first extended weekend collections.

And finally, we are putting our own estimates for the two films. Believing it or not is your choice, but we’ve put in immense amount of work in the last few days gathering data from multiple sources – verifying and reverifying – before putting it out. We are going to stick to these numbers from now onwards and the lifetime total won’t be the official figures released by the producers.

A lot of questions are now going to come up with regards to the data already existing on our website. Like collections of a Krrish 3 or a Happy New Year, but be rest assured that the next couple of months will be spent in changing the data on the website. Both the collections and verdicts will be changed. Stay tuned for more.

Our estimate, day-wise, for both films below. Do note, we haven’t yet verified collections for 2nd Friday, which has been marked with * symbol.

RAEESKAABIL
Day 119.758.50
Day 226.0016.25
Day 312.758.00
Day 415.0011.50
Day 516.7513.50
Day 66.504.75
Day 75.754.50
Day 85.204.00
Day 94.503.50
Day 102.752.75
Day 114.004.50
Day 125.005.75
India Total126.7 crore87.5 crore
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308 Comments

  • If both kaabil and rabies were very gud movies then all of them wil show middle figure to the trade figures

    #indicinerocks

  • @jolly2.0 lol how can Hrithik manipulate Bang Bang collection ,it was not his production house ,stupidity at its peak

  • Great work indicine… I m srk fan but i appreciate and support ur stance against inflated figures. Raees was giving exact figures. But on the hand kabil has been giving inflated figures since release. Raees had no chnce but giving highers figures

  • Great job….indicine…one of the best article

    i think its better to believe a numbr in betwn trade nd producr figure

    for eg: k3 LT-210

  • first 5 days collection of Raees is same as trade figures…but they started inflating the figures from Monday… kaabil team was inflating the figures from first day to stay in competition. I believe in trade figures instead of producer figures. that’s y i was following BOI report. I was proud of Raees team for releasing the correct figures for first 5 days but kaabil team left them with no option but to inflate their collections too. respect for your team @Indicine…..

  • For classic movies the producer and trade figures r almost the same

    its for craps/avg movies which faild to meet the xpectations where v can see a huge diffrnce in liftme total postd by prodcr nd trade… So it clear that producers manipulate

  • @indicine now that you know everything about the collections, can you please predict the lifetime of both the movies, and give the verdicts?

  • My take on this entire mess..
    a) Indicine team
    it’s a very brave article. Following you from so many years and will continue to follow you site. Well done for such an article..
    b) Raees team
    #Used dirty games to get 60% screen share and the best quality ones too..
    #Started inflating as soon as film was unable to sustain
    # Negative PR, bulk ticket to corporate etc.
    c) Kaabil team
    # Started inflating from day-1
    # Unnecessary statements in media especially Rakesh ji
    # Kaabil is a very good film but it’s not a film that will open huge then why unnecessary clash against a mass entertainer..

    Conclusion- Both SRK and HR has lost lot of credibility due to this clash..

  • I guess I’m gonna trust the film makers rather than butthurt article writer. All the other websites are showing the collection’s without any problem. Indicine deserves to loose its visitors.

  • Any kind words of advice on Red Chillies calculator from the ‘Happy New Year’ days and beyond. And you dare to blame Rakesh Roshan!!! Soft Target, eh!!! Come on show guts and expose Shahrukh Khan.

  • So now its proved Roshans are king of manupulations..kindly adjust your top stars accordingly..Hrithik will be out of top 5 if his manipulated fgures are removed K3 60cr,BB 40cr and now andha nakaabil 30 cr..sala manipulate krke akshay ki ek film ka LT hi match kar diya..haddh h…

  • said it very correctly…kabil makers had crossed all the limit and that is what have to be done you expect from other camp. If not done in such a manner by Raees camp negative reports would start to flow in and that would hamper its second week or weekend business .More important than that it may change the perception of Raees. Still agreed to the fact that manipulation is not acceptable. But here is the case of tit for tat. And look at the margin of manipulation by both camps. Clear intention of Kaabil makers since the day 1. Kaabil has crossed 20 plus crores of manipulation

  • @indicine With due respect… your article looks like trying to tone down the serious wrong that has been done by rakesh roshan.. in fact, you are trying to belittle the star power of SRK for the opening and you are attributing it towards brand promoters etc. Never expected from your site. And throughout the week it was sensed by almost every neutral fans that you are trying to degrade Raees and promote Kaabil at the same time.Seriously disappointing …

  • fools 10 cr inflation for 200 cr + movies is less then 5% where benifit of doubt will always go with producer and its general tendency to ignore miscellaneous things but when producer thought that they can give any figures then it is very important to raise voice and expose them

  • @indicine can u answer one thing how HNY first day collection turns 40 cr to 39.5 cr to 36.5 cr???
    If u cant find source i will gave u…

  • Credit goes to indicine for speaking truth.. This dirty game started by Rakesh Roshan. Clash was never an option particularly in January month..

  • Roshans r the kings of manipulation. Raees was already going well it didn’t need manipulation but on 2nd frdiay R.ce had to respond. But @indicine u didn’t notice this in first weekend. Raees was very similar to trade figs in 1st extended weekend.

  • kaabil 77+3(Tamil and Telugu version)=80cr.need another 20cr to hit which is an easy task.raees 115cr.need another 35cr(150cr) to hit which is not very difficult

  • Well done Indicine, this calls for an applause, thank you for sticking to unbiased reporting! It has been bizarre watching the official figures, glad to finally get as good-an-estimate-as-possible about what is really going on. Your site is worthy of the trust your readers have on you.

  • you are posting trade figures for raees and for kaabil it is trade plus 10%….it simply means that you are saying trade is under reporting kaabil….

  • @indicine like it or not…my only advice to you…take any stance….just stick to it…and show it boldly….u will only benifit from it…

  • But why are u under reporting raees first 5 days collections just to please hr fans ?? @indicine !! First 5 days collections of raees were exactly same !!

  • Bravo indicine !!!
    Was disappointed constantly by seeing producers figures only being quoted for every movies in your site before but now your afford to highlight true scenario and to make your viewers believe that you care and listen to them have brought my faith once again in your site.
    Please do continue this great work in future & do try to give your own researched and verified box office figures for all movies.
    Thank you for listening.

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