IndicineLBO: ADHM, Shivaay Lifetime Prediction

It’s been a difficult prediction to make, because over the first weekend it was almost impossible to pick the trend of the big Diwali releases – Shivaay and Ae Dil Hai Mushkil.

Not many in the trade had much of an idea on which way the two films would go and most still don’t. The reason for this is the ‘Pre-Diwali’ period. Ajay himself had said in his interviews that the ‘real weekend’ begins on Monday.

The word-of-mouth that the two films are carrying has also been difficult to ascertain, but here’s what we’ve been hearing from different people about the two films.

Shivaay:

  • Too long: Ajay was quick to realise this and immediately cut the film short by 10 minutes.
  • The film is not close to as bad as the critics made it out to be: A section of audience is liking and enjoying the film.
  • Action, emotion and visuals: The biggest ticket sellers
  • Emotional connect missing: Is what the audience who haven’t liked the film are saying.
  • A section of the trade believes a turnaround could happen and Shivaay could sustain and even surpass ADHM in the long run.
  • Bigger the centre, poorer the collections. So far, Shivaay has failed in big cities, which are huge contributors to film business these days due to higher ticket prices.

ADHM:

  • Star Cast, Music and Karan Johar film are three of the biggest reasons for ADHM easily winning the first 4 days at the box office.
  • The word-of-mouth is good in major cities, but the film doesn’t seem to be working at smaller cities and towns.
  • The first half has been received well, performances loved, but the problem lies in the most important (second) half which the audience carry back home.
  • Extreme reactions to the last 30 minutes, a small section of the audience has liked it, majority haven’t.
  • If cities continue to perform, ADHM will maintain the lead, but will it hold up after the festival period ends? That seems to be the big question.

Overall, it’s difficult to pick one winner. We believe the lifetime total of the two films will be around the same level. It’ll be good enough for Ae Dil Hai Mushkil to emerge victorious (because of its solid economics), but Shivaay still has a mount to climb in the next few days.

Time will tell, but we are going with Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil as the winner of the Diwali clash.

The numbers that we had on the site for last couple of days, remain the same, but ADHM has been reduced by a few crores. 95 crore for Shivaay and 102 crore for ADHM. The final IndicineLBO box office prediction.

MovieWord of MouthPredictionActual
Collection
DifferenceResult
DilwaleMixed145 cr148 cr2%Accurate
Bajirao MastaniExtremely Positive168 cr187 cr12%Accurate
WazirMixed35 cr40 cr14%Accurate
AirliftPositive143 cr127 cr11%Accurate
Kya Kool Hai Hum 3Negative34 cr31 cr8%Accurate
MastizaadeMixed29 cr32 cr10%Accurate
Saala KhadoosNegative16 cr14 cr12%Accurate
Ghayal Once AgainMixed39 cr36 cr*8%Accurate
Sanam ReMixed28 cr29 cr3%Accurate
FitoorExtremely Negative23 cr19 cr17%Inaccurate
NeerjaPositive70 cr74 cr6%Accurate
Teraa SurroorNegative12 cr13 cr8%Accurate
Rocky HandsomeNegative26 cr25 cr4%Accurate
Jai GangaajalNegative33 cr32 cr3%Accurate
Kapoor & SonsPositive66 cr72 cr9%Accurate
Ki And KaPositive54 cr53 cr2%Accurate
FanNegative95 cr84 cr11%Accurate
BaaghiPositive84 cr75 cr11%Accurate
AzharNegative35 cr33 cr5%Accurate
SarabjitMixed26 cr28 cr7%Accurate
Housefull 3Mixed105 cr107 cr2%Accurate
Udta PunjabMixed72 cr59 cr18%Inaccurate
SultanPositive305 cr302 cr1%Accurate
DishoomMixed62 cr69 cr11%Accurate
Mohenjo DaroNegative54 cr59 cr9%Accurate
RustomPositive102 cr126 cr23%Inaccurate
Happy Bhag JayegiMixed21 cr26 cr24%Inaccurate
A Flying JattNegative33 cr37 cr12%Accurate
AkiraMixed27 cr28 cr3%Accurate
Baar Baar DekhoNegative38 cr31 cr18%Inaccurate
Raaz RebootNegative28 cr27 cr3%Accurate
PinkPositive54 cr65 cr20%Inaccurate
M S Dhoni biopicMixed138 cr133 cr4%Accurate
MirzyaNegative9 cr10 cr11%Accurate
ShivaayMixed95 cr96 cr1%Accurate
Ae Dil Hai MushkilMixed102 cr111 cr9%Accurate
Rock On 2Negative13 cr10 cr23%Inaccurate
Force 2Mixed35 cr34 cr3%Accurate
Dear ZindagiPositive65 cr66 cr1%Accurate
BefikreNegative58 cr60 cr3%Accurate
DangalPending315 cr---
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92 Comments

  • @ tiger, Dilwale collected 149 crore with clash.and solo release Drishyam collected only 75 crore.so whom we consider bigger star – Ajay or SRK ?

  • Diwali 2012 JTHJ+SOS combind official collection(120+105=225) Diwali 2016 with more screen and higher ticket price ADHM and Shivaay collection min cross 200cr as per KRK shivaay LT bellow 80cr otherwise will stop giving review sothat ADHM do 130cr plus

  • @tiger-the real beggar,

    Shivaay with 150 cr budget vfx+heroine songs only 95cr meanwhile IPL effect release FAN did 84CR with no songs,no heroine,no entertainment.menas KING KHAN IS BIGGEST MEGASTAR.AND FAN DID 190+CR WW >>>>>>>>>bhai’s 1 rupee bb ready ‘s ww,flop jail ho’s ww,rofl.

    Ok koyla did 95cr.but our bhai’s 2010 republic holiday release veer is a 37cr disaster?????what about that?????

    That means koyla is a bigger star than our 2009 born Bhojpuri non actor lallu Khan who is a 37cr microstar.

    Congrats microstar lallu Khan.

  • Isnt it early to predict…atleast after watching the trend on wed and thu..you should have reported this…

  • Hi indicine.com. .. plz publish this comment… requesting with bottom of heart and with folded hands… I still remember that day when yash copra died of dengue. .. unfortunately. . The legend.. the man who gave us.. waquat .dewaar. .kala pather. ..kabhi kabhi. .lamhe. chandani. .darr. .DTPH.. JTHJ….the man who has given us stars like one and only one AMITABH BACHCHAN and many others. Decided to make a movie and planned to release a movie on diwali
    .the man who has given us so many hit films for many years. . Who has given us many stars… the man who has shown us many dreams decides to take his last breath before a diwali when his movie was releasing, at that time came a monster .. name is ajay devgam who wanted to release his movie on the same date if yash ji last movie…

    Monster, devil has the chance to move forward and release his movie some other date and sacrifice his few bucks which he invested on his SOS but being devil mind he decides to hurt an old and died man and releases his movie on the same date just to earn some few bucks.. he also roped in his two friends to have cameo in his movie… THE SUPERSTAR SALMAN KHAN AND SANJAY DUTTA.. BOTH decides to promote his film for the resonance only they know… because respected ajay has only one motive… to earn money… selfish, greedy and Mosterton mind stuck to his decision and released his movie when old man died just to satisfy his self proclaimed ego and to recover his invested money… whether he was able to do that is questionable even today bit he definitely lost the respect for being great actor. . He is mister. . He is greedy… he is devil… he is ajay devgan. .. had he decided to release his movie SOS after JTHJ release, he would have been respected figure for many movie lovers, but he made fool of himself…

    Cut to 2016.. devil came with a movie.. a bigger one and that too directed by himself… invested huge money planned to release with an actor with lesser star power and flop actor… his ego dares him to release his movie…. his arrogance force him to release his movie amidst all Contraversy. … but this time god is waiting to do justice. . His ego and arrogance is defeated.. his greediness is damaged by his blindness… he is defeated by a flop actor… that too for a consecutive four days… and most importantly by a bad movie and worst director. .. ADHM is a bad movie so karan is worst director but I m happy they defeated bad man AD.. That too 2 easily… yes god is there. .????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ????? ???. .justice has been served.. devil will loss money and his ego..thank u god… because he is defeated by baaaaad movie..

  • @TIGER- the real king
    November 1, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    102 Cr is ON only just because of your said Gigastar. Otherwise you well known about B.Velvet (Karan,Anushka,Ranbir) directly sank.

    SRK entry in movie, Crackers in Cinema Hall (CRAZZZY POWER OF FANS)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZGvZ8SEr1w

    Your Money Maker Salman – still child uneducated unethical doesn’t know how to talk with people.
    Just relying on his Luck so far. Top portion of the wheel comes down and below portion of the wheel goes up very soon. Similar like in your life…. CHANGE IS BETTER, CONSISTENCY IS BEST…

    Keep reading/watching INDICINE.COM (For SRK news)

  • Some KABARIWALAs are blabbering on Shivaay’s manipulation. Let’s check out some facts…..
    HNY 1st day manipulation>>>>>> Shivaay 4 days manipulation…LOL.

  • @ginger

    It’s your gigastar who is struggling to surpass even 80cr mark lifetime…that too with content rich solo release. But you are calling others losers…. LOL.

  • in 2012 (JTHJ : 121cr) (SOS : 98cr)
    in 2016 the romantic drama once again thriumps over the mindless and over the top flick

  • @sabatjhotya aka sss : How easily & often you keep proving yourself as #1 retard on Indicine. Comparing 2009 movie with 2016 movie.

  • @Zealous : Why are you jealous of Salman’s success ? Luck can’t be same for continuous for so many years. It shows illiteracy of srk fans to burst crackers inside a theater risking lives of other patrons. The fact is Salman’s current run at BO is way ahead of queen’s golden era !!!!!!!!!

  • @mekanik

    Abey loggerheaded jerk, comparing a 2016 release movie’s collections with 2010’s! According to this MEKANIK-WALA logic Shivaay is bigger hit than DDLJ, KKHH, K3G, OSO, RNBDJ etc. Because Shivaay’s collections will be more than these movies….Hahaha!

  • @prashant

    Yes gigastar was bigger than Ajay last year. But in this year Ajay/Ranbir>>>>> gigastar. Atleast statistics say so!

  • @ROHAN: in what way your yashji helped Ajay devgan to postponed his release… he might have helped other stars not Ajay devgan ok… nobody wants to loose his money even you also…. dont act too smart… and about cameo i want to tell all of you… before SOS on request of salman sir Ajay sir did Cameo in Ready movie in similar way salman sir also did cameo for his friend…dont blabber nonsense because JTJH was utter crap movie…..

  • Why is @arjun youngistaan blabering, we all know the reason ms dhoni crossed 130cr is is the man himself, otherwise a shushant film unless its carrying Twmr like wom it will not cross 40cr, and plz if you want your youngestaan to reach somewhere respect seniors.

  • @tiger-the real beggar,abey brainless rikshawalo,w hen I compared this decade’s movie with another decade movie?????only you criminaltard jerk can do this.by going after logic FAN is bigger hit than hahk,rofl.

    So understand the proper logic bhojpuri ganwarr.you’re counting dabang as this decade movie but not 37cr veer disaster,even though 2010 comes under this decade?even after jail ho flopped you compared it’s collection with MNIK?oos waqt Kahan tumhara Sharma ko Bech site thay?Jo abhi ro rahe ho?ha ha ha ha,but it’s your destiny that veer comes under the decade,no cry as much as you can 37cr sadakchap star ke fans,now don’t try to cross your own logic,rofl.

    @hrithik original(fake ilyas),Abe Ghodu,veer released in 2009?????early?????isse pata hain teri logic ,tera knowledge.

    Dekhle bhaiyon this no.1 retard is claiming veer released on 2009,ha ha ha ha,rofl.now this stupidity point I’ll add into your account.

    You only till now went after my only typing mistakes.but see what you tried to manipulated even a year by knowing?????wah !!!!!,rofl.37cr disaster ke 37 paise fans,keep crying.lallu will remain the biggest disaster giving Khan of this decade—-37cr veer disaster ATHG on Republic day 2010,rofl.

  • competition between one man Mr. Ajay Devgan and huge star cast Ranbir, Ash, Anushka, Fawad, SRK, Karan johar and a very popular music along with very good reviews by critics. Still Ajay Devgn managed to give very tough competition to all of them. He is truly a Singham!
    By the way… Where is KRK? since Monday onwards, KRK ki bolti band ho gayi.

  • Disaster Safar salman Ka
    Torture light salmoron ki manzil
    Kabir Papa ke bina guzaarah
    Ae salmam Hai Mushkil
    Maana ki kabir Papa teri mojoodgi se
    Salman ki zindagi baroom hai
    zina ka koi kabir papa ke bina
    Na salman ke dil ko Maloom hai
    Kabir papa ko salman kitni
    shiddat se chahe
    chahe toh chodle kabir papa ko
    Disasterrr khoobsorat hai
    dangal se bhi
    Salwoman ki har kamee ko
    Kabir papa ki laazmeennn
    junoon hai kabir papa ka
    banaye salman ke films hit
    Kabir papa ke bina guzarah
    Ae salwoman Hai Mushkill…

    Don’t enjoy this song alone. Share it on WhatsApp, FB, Skype and many more as this is my new version of song

  • Let me see if I have the economics right:
    (1) ADHM
    Budget: ~95 cr
    Recovery:
    – Satellite: ~30 cr
    – Music: ~10 cr
    – Other Income: Let’s assume this to be 5 cr
    Theatrical (Domestic + Overseas) Recovery Required: ~50 cr
    Effective Distributor Share ~ 45% (due to heavy business in multiplexes)
    Theatrical Business Needed for Break-even = (50/0.45) cr = 111 cr
    Indicine Domestic Prediction = 105 cr
    Overseas Nett Prediction = 45 cr (assuming 90 cr gross and 50% effective tax rate)
    Total Recovery = 150 cr
    Verdict: Hit (Good in India, Superhit overseas)
    (2) Shivaay
    Budget: ~105 cr
    Recovery:
    – Satellite: ~35 cr
    – Music: ~7 cr
    – Other Income: Let’s assume this to be 3 cr
    Theatrical (Domestic + Overseas) Recovery Required: ~65 cr
    Effective Distributor Share ~ 55% (due to heavy business in multiplexes)
    Theatrical Business Needed for Break-even = (65/0.55) cr = 118 cr
    Indicine Domestic Prediction = 95 cr
    Overseas Nett Prediction = 6 cr (assuming 12 cr gross and 50% effective tax rate)
    Total Recovery = 101 cr
    Verdict: Flop (Good in India; Poor overseas)
    On the whole, overseas figures seem to have made a huge difference in the final verdict.

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