IndicineLBO: ADHM, Shivaay Lifetime Prediction

It’s been a difficult prediction to make, because over the first weekend it was almost impossible to pick the trend of the big Diwali releases – Shivaay and Ae Dil Hai Mushkil.

Not many in the trade had much of an idea on which way the two films would go and most still don’t. The reason for this is the ‘Pre-Diwali’ period. Ajay himself had said in his interviews that the ‘real weekend’ begins on Monday.

The word-of-mouth that the two films are carrying has also been difficult to ascertain, but here’s what we’ve been hearing from different people about the two films.

Shivaay:

  • Too long: Ajay was quick to realise this and immediately cut the film short by 10 minutes.
  • The film is not close to as bad as the critics made it out to be: A section of audience is liking and enjoying the film.
  • Action, emotion and visuals: The biggest ticket sellers
  • Emotional connect missing: Is what the audience who haven’t liked the film are saying.
  • A section of the trade believes a turnaround could happen and Shivaay could sustain and even surpass ADHM in the long run.
  • Bigger the centre, poorer the collections. So far, Shivaay has failed in big cities, which are huge contributors to film business these days due to higher ticket prices.

ADHM:

  • Star Cast, Music and Karan Johar film are three of the biggest reasons for ADHM easily winning the first 4 days at the box office.
  • The word-of-mouth is good in major cities, but the film doesn’t seem to be working at smaller cities and towns.
  • The first half has been received well, performances loved, but the problem lies in the most important (second) half which the audience carry back home.
  • Extreme reactions to the last 30 minutes, a small section of the audience has liked it, majority haven’t.
  • If cities continue to perform, ADHM will maintain the lead, but will it hold up after the festival period ends? That seems to be the big question.

Overall, it’s difficult to pick one winner. We believe the lifetime total of the two films will be around the same level. It’ll be good enough for Ae Dil Hai Mushkil to emerge victorious (because of its solid economics), but Shivaay still has a mount to climb in the next few days.

Time will tell, but we are going with Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil as the winner of the Diwali clash.

The numbers that we had on the site for last couple of days, remain the same, but ADHM has been reduced by a few crores. 95 crore for Shivaay and 102 crore for ADHM. The final IndicineLBO box office prediction.

MovieWord of MouthPredictionActual
Collection
DifferenceResult
DilwaleMixed145 cr148 cr2%Accurate
Bajirao MastaniExtremely Positive168 cr187 cr12%Accurate
WazirMixed35 cr40 cr14%Accurate
AirliftPositive143 cr127 cr11%Accurate
Kya Kool Hai Hum 3Negative34 cr31 cr8%Accurate
MastizaadeMixed29 cr32 cr10%Accurate
Saala KhadoosNegative16 cr14 cr12%Accurate
Ghayal Once AgainMixed39 cr36 cr*8%Accurate
Sanam ReMixed28 cr29 cr3%Accurate
FitoorExtremely Negative23 cr19 cr17%Inaccurate
NeerjaPositive70 cr74 cr6%Accurate
Teraa SurroorNegative12 cr13 cr8%Accurate
Rocky HandsomeNegative26 cr25 cr4%Accurate
Jai GangaajalNegative33 cr32 cr3%Accurate
Kapoor & SonsPositive66 cr72 cr9%Accurate
Ki And KaPositive54 cr53 cr2%Accurate
FanNegative95 cr84 cr11%Accurate
BaaghiPositive84 cr75 cr11%Accurate
AzharNegative35 cr33 cr5%Accurate
SarabjitMixed26 cr28 cr7%Accurate
Housefull 3Mixed105 cr107 cr2%Accurate
Udta PunjabMixed72 cr59 cr18%Inaccurate
SultanPositive305 cr302 cr1%Accurate
DishoomMixed62 cr69 cr11%Accurate
Mohenjo DaroNegative54 cr59 cr9%Accurate
RustomPositive102 cr126 cr23%Inaccurate
Happy Bhag JayegiMixed21 cr26 cr24%Inaccurate
A Flying JattNegative33 cr37 cr12%Accurate
AkiraMixed27 cr28 cr3%Accurate
Baar Baar DekhoNegative38 cr31 cr18%Inaccurate
Raaz RebootNegative28 cr27 cr3%Accurate
PinkPositive54 cr65 cr20%Inaccurate
M S Dhoni biopicMixed138 cr133 cr4%Accurate
MirzyaNegative9 cr10 cr11%Accurate
ShivaayMixed95 cr96 cr1%Accurate
Ae Dil Hai MushkilMixed102 cr111 cr9%Accurate
Rock On 2Negative13 cr10 cr23%Inaccurate
Force 2Mixed35 cr34 cr3%Accurate
Dear ZindagiPositive65 cr66 cr1%Accurate
BefikreNegative58 cr60 cr3%Accurate
DangalPending315 cr---
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92 Comments

  • Real collections of Shivaay is 35 crores in 4 days, it means Ajay has put calculator on fire. 10 crore manipulation only in 4 days, how freaking magnanimous !!!

  • @indicine abe paid site…

    Adhm needs 120cr to be a hit…

    it also has a huge budget of 98cr according to boi…

    also the promotional costs has gone overboard becoz of paid reviews…

  • ADHM is already a safe film. The problem is with Shivaay, the multiplex business had disappointed big time. I don’t think clash is the main reason for it underperforming. Films like Bahubali and TJB have done brilliantly at the multiplexes despite facing competition from Bajrangi Bhaijaan and FAN, films thathat featured two of our biggest superstars.

    The situation is quite similar to another Diwali clash Blue vs All the Best, where the magnum opus(Blue) was expected to take in huge numbers but the final result was disappointing. But Blue had still had an excellent opening(of 6 cr whole the other one opened at 2 cr). The press screening was one big mistake.

    There has to now be a miraculous hold for Shivaay to give the slightest relief to Ajay.

  • @indicine…

    Shivaay ke bhi satellite rights hai na..

    it also has music rights…

    paid site.. Adhm is average at 100cr… it needs 120cr to b a Hit..

  • @indicine For adhm with ranbir, anushka, aishwarya and srk star cast rating 7 and for dear zindagi aliya and srk 9 rating why?

  • Dear indicine , pls dont predict aamir khan movie collections u r gonna get it straight on ur face , let me remind u how miserably u went wrong during pk so pls dont put ur foot in ur mouth again. Let me assure u one thing that dangal will be indias biggest hit ever, will definately surpass pks lifetime worldwide. ?

  • I watched adhm today…. again at e square… Bcoz I already watched shivaay at e square…
    So yes ranbir acting was superb, mindblowing… This is what I like and I like ash she looks adorable and offcourse romantic king shahrukh… Throughout I’m aamir-Salman fan but still he is king khan yaar a self made actor… People will not forget these 3 khans…
    But what I didn’t like this film …. Totally crap…. How can made such a pathetic movie… This is what wrong about ranbir film selection… He is good actor but his choice totally wrong…
    I guarantee that without diwali this movie not even cross 60 cr… Seriously
    There were some trolls about this film on social media….
    Like Ban raj thakare MNS he allows to release this film… Then after watching this film some one uses 3 idiots dialogue like ‘are kehna kya chahte ho…..’
    So finally as I said ranbir was superb in this film but film was uttara crap ….
    Avoid this film instead of that watch shivaay…
    My prediction
    Shivaay – 120 cr
    Adhm – 100 cr

  • I understand producers make money with satellite and music rights but isn’t hit or flop status determined by theatrical business? Based on distributor price? Indicine, explain how a film which cost 95 cr doesn’t need theatrical business

  • Ajay Devgun without star cast like adhm if manages to be at same lvl,then adhm is a looser.I know u r promoting adhm,but shivaay is taking lead now,and you will see shivaay grossing more by the end of 2nd weekend.Both movies are bad ,adhm Infact intolerable 2nd half,shivaay bad 1st half but excellent action and visuals,atleast tolerable.

  • So the biggest diwali releases will not even collect 40% of Mighty Sultan release.

    This shows the star power of bhaijaan,

    Eagerly waiting for Tubelight and tiger zinda hai.

  • @indicine How!!! How can Dear Zindagi’s starcast rating be 9!?? It features SRK in an extended role, not in a full fledged role. It should not be counted like his Dilwale or Chennai Express role.
    Please, think about it and if you considered this all than let us know.
    Another thing I want to say that, the LBO difference for ADHM and SHIVAAY is 7 crore acc to your site. Mark my words, difference will be near 15 crore if not more, in BOI. Its a challange from me. Shivaay will not cross 100 cr but ADHM will cross 115 cr.

  • @INDICINE:

    PLEASE POST AN ARTICLE OF RAFI SAHEB FANS SLAMMING KARAN JOHAR AND RFAU SAHEB SON SHAHID DEMANDING FOR AN APOLOGY.

    SUCH A CRAP GUY IS THIS KARAN, INSULTING THE LEGEND RAFI SAHEB.

    ANUSHKA COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS TOO!!!!

  • That moment when Srk fans called Shivaay disaster and it ending up earning more than FAN with clash !!!!!! I am waiting for Shivaay to cross FAN collections.

  • The difference between 2 movies won’t be much but Shivaay will end up with higher collections than ADHM.

  • No one has praises ADHM except Paid critics, celebs & Srk fans !!!!!!! At least Shivaay got applause from general audience for effort !!!!!

  • My ratings :

    ADHM : 2 stars – 1 star for songs & music and another for Anushka Ranbir act.

    Shivaay : 3 stars – 1 star for breathtaking locations, 1 for action and 1 for one man show from AJ sir. Content is good but not extraordinary. There is too much of foreign actors & language will be a drawback at single screens in long run.

  • @Indicine : In this case Jai Ho is Super Hit and Dilwale is Hit. Why changing conditions of verdict for KJo movie ?? Haven’t you said often that domestic collections matters most and recovery for distributors money ?

  • @Indicine Team @9:38PM: Great.. U r declaring the perception too. How you track the perception in just 4 days. Many of my friends are cracking jokes on the film and it’s second half and u r talking abt perception. One side u say perception is another factor diff from collections and Economics, another side u say it achieved hit perception by winning 1st 4 days collections. What if shivaay wins over next 4 days? Why indicine why. U were never desperate like this to show ur support so blindly to a movie.

  • To all srk fans….. what about d manipulation of hny rright from d first day till lifetime collections???…..answer me if u hv little shame left u foolish srk fans…those who r barking about shivaay manipulation r d ones who r actually hurt or jealous by looking at d success….such mean people!!!

  • @Indicine: Meanwhile I am not a Ajay’s fan. Iam an indicine fan. I used to tell abt ur site to many of my friends bcz of ur honest and mature articles. I am posting this bcz Iam not able to digest by seeing ur recent behavior

  • Ahdm will also b flop in domestic if net collections r less than 100cr…nobody cares about overseas collections…..its an indian film so indian distributERS should benefit from it which is looking impossible….indian media and critics r just overhyping d flop film ahdm…

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