Q. Hello Indicine, I am a regular user of this site from last year. I don’t reside in India but get all the latest update about Bollywood through your site. Thanks for that. My question is related to SRK and his competition with other actors. I feel that media created a war between SRK and other actors. I never heard competition between other actors like Salman vs Akshay / Hrithik vs Ajay, Aamir vs Akshay or others. It always around SRK due to that a lot of negativity has been filled by fans of all actors. Can you please tell why always top position actors are compared with SRK? (Silent Viewer)
A. First of all, thank you for visiting. About Shah Rukh Khan, right from the beginning of his career, he’s been a divisive personality. Whether it is through his interviews, statements made at other public appearances or even during film clashes – what he says used to generate extreme reactions. People either loved him or hated him. The media alone cannot be blamed for the rivalries and fan wars, because some of the statements that the stars have given have also helped create fanwars on the internet. Salman and SRK were not on talking terms for more than 5 years. Aamir has made controversial statements against Shah Rukh. SRK himself had once added fuel to media made comparisons between him and Amitabh Bachchan (when he replaced Bachchan on KBC).
Between actors too there is competition. Not just box office, but also to get to work with the big directors in the industry and to maintain their standing. This isn’t just with the likes of Khans, but also with younger generation actors like Ranveer, Varun, Arjun, Sidharth. Sometimes the competition is healthy, sometimes it isn’t.
The other angle to it are the die hard fans, who like to see their star winning at the box office, getting awards, signing films with big directors etc. All this combined, creates fan wars and controversies. The outsider who has played the game the best has been Shah Rukh, without doubt. It’s a difficult industry to survive in, for an outsider.. but Shah Rukh hasn’t just played the game smartly, he’s outsmarted many over the years. Currently though, it’s not helping him beat Salman and Aamir. He’s tried with films like Dilwale (it was made and released to break records) but it hasn’t worked.
Q. Why in present time most comedy movies don’t work at box office?
A. Well made comedy films that entertain the audience, will work at the box office. When a couple of bad comedy films release and fail, the genre is not considered to be ‘in trend’ or liked by the audience. Masala films were considered to be to risky, but ‘Baaghi’ has done very well. The key for producers / directors / actors is to time their films well. When there is an overdose of any genre, there is a higher risk of films failing. At the same time, releasing a film belonging to a particular genre after a good break (like the youth-masala-film Baaghi released more than a year after Tevar), gives the film an advantage. If ‘Housefull 3’ works, the comedy genre will be back with a bang!
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Q. How distributor’s share is being decided? N then how much share goes to producers and cinema owners? Its bit confusing so want a detailed analysis please.
A. Detailed analysis will require a separate article. But to answer your question in brief, distributor’s share varies from film to film and place to place. At multiplexes, the distributor’s get the highest share in Week 1, it goes lower in Week 2 and further down in Week 3. At fixed rentals, theatres are rented out, so the share is usually much higher – provided the occupancy is good / high. Otherwise, releasing the film can actually be loss-making, because distributor’s won’t even recover the rent that they paid. This is exactly why a lot of films don’t get released at single-screens. A lot of people think films will collect more if they get more screens – this is not true. The lead actor has to have an audience at smaller centres and the genre should be universal enough – for films to get 4000 plus screens.
We have a very old article on this – it needs to be updated but worth reading nonetheless (Read: Indian Box Office Model)
Q. After the mind blowing run of “The Jungle Book”, which movie in 2016 might have the power to create the same magical run?
A. Purely in terms of numbers, Sultan should easily beat ‘The Jungle Book’. But to get the kind of trend that the Hollywood film got, it would require a truly special film. Won’t be easy. We’ll keep a close eye on the 3rd – 4th – 5th – 6th week collections of the most liked film of the year and then compare it to ‘The Jungle Book’. Should be interesting. Mohenjo Daro and Dangal are our picks of the two films with the best chance, Shivaay will be a film to watch out too.
Q. Any news on Deepika’s future projects in Bollywood? I heard she might be doing Padmavati or Shoojit Sircar’s next?
A. Lot of rumours, but officially Deepika hasn’t yet signed a Hindi film. She’ll be making a special appearance in ‘Raabta’ starring Sushant Singh Rajput and Kriti Sanon.
Q. What are the reasons for FAN’s failure?
A. FAN flopped because the audience rejected it’s content. The word-of-mouth was negative from Day 2 / 3 itself.
Q. How is the buzz of Housefull 3 and will it be able to cross FAN going by the current trend?
A. Housefull 3 should easily beat FAN, unless the film turns out to be a major disappointment. Sajid – Farhad have replaced Sajid Khan as directors – remains to be seen if it was for good or bad.
Q. Why Ek Tha Tiger isn’t ‘All Time Blockbuster’ at 199 crore – less than 3 crore of previous 3 idiots. But Bajrangi Bhaijaan is ATBB inspite of collecting 19 crore less than previous highest grosser PK?
A. The ‘All Time Blockbuster’ verdict is always debatable, but it’s not a verdict that is given to the highest grosser of all time. It’s about return-on-investment. ‘The Jungle Book’ is an all time blockbuster even though it isn’t even close to the highest grosser of all time. ROI-wise even Tanu Weds Manu Returns got pretty close to ’All Time Blockbuster’. Ek Tha Tiger was an expensive film.
Q. With upcoming movies, do you see any actor breaking into the the coveted 30 + crores rupees opening day from now to end of 2017? Or you still think it will only be reserved for the usual superstars -suspects : Salman Srk Aamir Ajay Hrithik? and why?
A. When it comes to opening, it would be Salman, SRK and Aamir – in that order. These guys are cut above the rest. Salman has been phenomenal over the years, in a league of his own. SRK has been excellent too, because even the opening of Dilwale – inspite of clash with a major film and release on a working day – it managed 21 crore Day 1 (equivalent to 30 crore plus). Aamir is right up there too, but he’s had backing of top franchise and director, so Dangal opening should give us a better picture of how he compares to Salman and Shahrukh – purely in terms of a earth-shattering initial.
After that it’s Hrithik and then there is a huge gap. So the actors capable enough to deliver 30 plus, would be these four.
Akshay has been consistent with opening, but most of his films average around 12 – 15 crore. Ajay has been highly inconsistent, the credit for the Singham opening doesn’t entirely go to him. That’ll change if Shivaay manages 20 plus opening. Ranveer is the next best bet, but has a long way to go before he can even think of joining the ’30 crore opening’ club.
One other point – an actor has to have strong audience-pull both at multiplexes and single-screens. Plus the genre has to be supportive to get a 30 crore plus opening. Otherwise it’s not possible.
Q. The Craze Of Sultan Is Unparalleled. Can Sultan Open More Than 50 Crores ?
A. No. But we’d have said the same if you asked if 30 crore is a possibility before Ek Tha Tiger’s release. Salman is capable of box office miracles. Let’s see, box office is unpredictable, which is why it’s always exciting.
Q. What is the verdict for Baaghi? And what would be Azhar and Sarbjit’s verdicts?
A. Baaghi is ‘Super Hit’. Azhar is Flop. Too early to talk about Sarbjit, but even in the best case from here.. it looks like a ‘Average’ grosser.
Q. Don’t you think Mohenjo Daro should release solo? Am really looking at massive bankruptcy for Rustom if they clash? What does Hrithik has to do from now to earn a Megastar title?
A. Clash is won with content. Mohenjo Daro will get better opening, but Rustom can surprise if it turns out to be a well-made film. Even the mighty can fall, like we saw last Christmas. These days there are clear trend clues on Friday itself.
Q. Is Salman’s next with Rajkumar Santoshi is confirmed or not ? And if it is confirmed then any idea about its story,lead actress,genre etc ?
A. Salman hasn’t signed the film.
Q. Do you feel market of hindi films is shrinking as regional and Hollywood movies are making some serious dent of late.
A. The next few years will be testing times for the Hindi film industry. There are quite a few problems. The corporatisation of the industry has meant Hollywood films are eating into the business of Hindi films at big centres. At smaller centres, especially in South and West, regional films are growing both because of creativity resulting in good content and entertainment tax exemption in home states.
Hollywood films don’t need massive promotions, the lead stars aren’t even coming down to India because it’s a small market. Yet, 5 months into the year, the combined collections of the two biggest films – Airlift and FAN – is almost as much as ‘The Jungle Book’. The threat from Hollywood is real, because the audience is getting more value-for-money from Hollywood films as compared to films that we produce.
The Hindi film industry also has the looming threat of our major superstars ageing. How long will they remain at the top of their game, is a question that we’ve been asking for almost half a decade now.. Luckily, they continue to do well and we also have a bunch of younger stars who have quickly established their fanbase.
But currently, there is no doubt that the business of Hollywood films is growing at a much faster rate. The Hindi market is not shrinking, but stagnating. The rest are growing.
Q. Is the Biopic trend is becoming unpopular given the fact that Azhar almost failed and Sarabjit started poor ?
A. The genre is not getting less popular, but people are smart in today’s times. Ticket prices are high and unless a film is really worth a movie outing, the audience is more than willing to skip mediocre films. There has been an overdose of biopics, which is never good, because people become more choosy. M.S Dhoni biopic should do well, it has good director and an immensely popular cricketer. Not many were interested in knowing more about Mohammad Azharuddin. But Dhoni, ticket collector to India’s most successful captain.. a man who has given happiness to so many through World Cup wins.. who wouldn’t be interested?
Q. Why is it that the Hindi film industry doesn’t invest in producing well made magnum opus projects like Bahubali and Robot inspite of earning 200-300 crores per big movie? Regional cinema is redefining cinematic boundaries with every coming year.
A. We lack visionary directors and those who are successful are happy exploring their own genre. Even Rajkumar Hirani has stuck to his tried-and-tested formula for the four films that he has directed so far. Rakesh Roshan has taken risks, but he still falls short somewhere in the writing department. Having said that, films like Mohenjo Daro and Shivaay are risky and big-budget. If these films turn out to be well-made, it could be our industry’s ‘Baahubali’.
Q. Will Raees be releasing this year?
A. No, postponed to 2017.
Q. Is Ticket price the main reason why people are not giving a chance to 2.5/3* movie?
A. Most certainly. A movie outing is expensive for the city audience. If one film is not worth it, they’ll wait for the next.
Q. Don’t you think in Bollywood, there is no unity? Doesn’t a brave, risky and ambitious experiment like Mohenjo Daro deserve a solo release?
A. There is a lot at stake for a film like ‘Mohenjo Daro’. Even for an established lead star like Hrithik, it’s a lot of risk when you release one big film after 2 years of absence. It could mean two years of work going down the drain and the losses can be huge if your film doesn’t find acceptance. But at the end of the day, if your film is well-made, it’ll work. If your film is excellent, it can destroy not just the week’s competition, but films that release 1 or 2 week later. The stakes were equally high for a film like Bajirao Mastani and it was up against a massive film like ‘Dilwale’. It not only did well, but decimated the Shah Rukh Khan starrer from Christmas holiday onwards. If Ashutosh Gowariker is confident of the film that he’s made, clash wouldn’t be a big concern to him – although it would still mean the film would collect a little less than it would with a solo release.
Q. Please provide update on the movie ‘BankChor’ by Y Films of Yash Raj Films starring Ritesh Deshmukh n Vivek Oberoi
A. We have been asking them, but YRF isn’t talking about the film.
Q. What are the total collections and verdicts of Nil Battey Sannatta, Santa Banta Pvt. Ltd. , Laal Rang, Baaghi, Traffic, One Night Stand and 1920 London ?
A. Nil Battey Sannatta finished with lifetime business of less than 2.5 crore, Lal Rang was around the 2 crore mark, Santa Banta Pvt Ltd was very poor with collections of 75 lakhs. One Night Stand finished with 3 crore. All disasters. 1920 is at 14.5 crore Average grosser. Baaghi is the only film that has done well. Super Hit.
That ends the QnA session for today. We have received many more questions, we will try and answer most of them through the week and next weekend. Thank you for joining us.
@Sunny makki Moronic the self proclaimed resident Bollywood expert,
Akki is nowhere close to Hrithik in stardom and BO…Period! Accept the fact and move your ass on!
Do you want me to tell you what are the adjusted gross for inflation for Hrithik’s non-holiday releases of 2006 Dhoom 2 and Krrish? You are the most dumbass user I have ever come across in a platform like this. Hrithik’s Bang Bang! and Akshay’s Brothers released in the same period Oct 2nd. Akshay’s even after one year of Bang Bang!. Then what happened…? Bang Bang! 27.5 cr and Brothers 14.5 cr. Isn’t it dumbo? Even with Sid Malhotra, Kareena Kapoor item song, Jacqueline and a genre which you say where Akshay is the best in the world (lol!), production cost of 105 cr, opening of 14 cr and lifetime 85 cr. And you are talking about stardom you moron? SIB did 20 cr on a holiday and why did it got done and dusted for 75 cr? Coz of Makki’s superstardom?
Come back and talk about superstardom when your Makki has some multiplex audience and overseas collections for his solo movies! Even Sid Malhotra and Fawad Khan is beating your superstar overseas…go and lock horns with them first and then think about Superstar Hrithik Roshan! Blind fan of 12cr opening and 80cr lifetime superstar LMAO!
What is the total gross collection of my name is khan??
Thanks Indicine for answering my question. As always your reply was detailed and apt. Keep up the good work.
hello indicine can HOUSEFULL 3 cross 200 crore or not
@indicine- Baaghi is a hit not Super hit
you are now a days declaring every hit film a super hit
Baaghi made on a budget of 47cr & earning 78cr means hit
Kapoor & Sons was also a hit if higher coll were not given, it coll 63cr
@admin thanks for answering two of my questions. Yes well answered only problem was on Akshay . I never asked nor expected Akshay to break into the coveted30 cr opening day club with or without Eid Diwali. That’s why i specified Srk Salman Aamir Ajay Hrithik. I like that 12-15 cr club opener hahaha??
Cut the bullshit indicine.
“He has had the backing of top directors and franchise”
Did Mangal Pandey have a top director?
Did Fanaa have a top director? Was it a franchise film?
Did Ghajini have a top director?
How many ATBBs does Hirani have without Aamir? Ans-0
How many ATBBs does Aamir have without Hirani? Ans – 3.
Hirani produced Saala Khadoos. Verdict 30 cr flop.
Aamir produced Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na, Peepli Live. Verdicts- Superhit or better.
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In 2014, Aamir’s PK beat opening day of Kick.
In 2013, Aamir’s D3 beat opening day of CE(holiday) on a non holiday.
In 2012, Talaash(niche genre) on a non holiday opened better than all 2015 releases of Akshay except Brothers. Infact, JTHJ and Don 2 opened to similar numbers as Talaash.
Aamir hasn’t got the best day to release his film till now- Day after Diwali. Salman-1, SRK-1.
On what freaking basis are you declaring that Aamir’s opening is not better than Salman or SRK or he’s had a top director or franchise with him?
All Xmas releases of Aamir have been on non holidays. XMAS has come on the 4th, 5th or 6th day of the release.
Get your head out of your ass and accept the above facts.
OK tell me, do you decide the list of actors with highest openings on the basis of aggressiveness of fans on twitter? Is that the criteria?
Mind you, it’s been 3 years and your so called “superstars who give earth shattering openings” haven’t even crossed D3’s opening on a non holiday till now.
Is this explaination enough? Would you care to reply?
Y indicine not posting sairat box offc collection there is record breaking runs towards may b 100cr n compate with baghi,azhar,sarabjit, tjb n Bollywood star praise the movie too like amir,irfan,ritesh n many more rply pls
@Ishan Gulati
Although you have made your points and some of them are pretty good here are my 2 cents…
Q. Did Mangal Pandey have a top director?
Did Fanaa have a top director? Was it a franchise film?
A. Verdict of Fanaa and Mangal Pandey? One is just a hit and another flop.
Q. Did Ghajini have a top director?
A. Yes maybe you didn’t knew…but A.R Murugadoss was already an established and successful director in South.
Q. How many ATBBs does Hirani have without Aamir?
A. He has 2 blockbusters in Munnabhai MBBS and Lage Raho Munnabhai
Can Sultan beat pk? If it’s word of mouth will like Bajrangi Bhaijaan. As you said Sultan needs only 159 crores to put Salman on the top spot and Mohenjo Daro needs 142 crore to to take hrithik to the 3rd spot. If Hrithik went to third spot then it’s a very sad thing for Srk as he has fallen 4th spot as Raees is clashing with Kaabil and Baadshaaho so it’s maximum will be 130 crore
@thug
Fanaa is a blockbuster with record opening. Mangal Pandey is average with record opening until Fanaa broke it. – BoxOfficeIndia
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ARM might be an established director in South, nobody from North or rest of India knew him before Ghajini. It was his debut in Bollywood.
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Is Blockbuster = All Time Blockbuster?
Aamir has given to ATBB to Hirani.
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Get your facts right. Then talk to me.
@Thug teri kyon jalti hai be? If Ishan is talking facts about BO then why your ass is burning? Is it jealousy? Who are you moron? First tell me who is your favorite star? Whoever he is, he cant give as many ATBBs as Aamir so shut up. Raju hasn’t given as big ATBB as 3 idiots and pk without aamir. Lage raho munna bhai was blockbuster and munnabhai mbbs was super hit. Check your facts first before blabbering. Its only aamir who.gave raju his 2 ATBBs of his career. Aamir gave first ATBB back in 1996 when raju hirani wasnt even a director. Aamir has 3 ATBB without raju. Lets see how much Raju hirani’s biopic with ranbeer collects at the box office.
@Ishan
Check for yourself the BOI verdicts for Fanaa and Mangal Pandey
https://web.archive.org/web/20150822105634/http://boxofficeindia.com/Star_Cast/actor_detail/aamir_khan#.V0U_uzV97cs
Fanaa is Superhit…not blockbuster as you claim and Mangal Pandey is Flop!
I did check the facts before posting…right back at you!
@Dijen Divetya Tu kaun he bey? Did I talk to you moron? Don’t unnecessarily call people names you faggot! If you are Aamir bhakt so be it! Keep his picture in your pooja room and idolize him…and learn to talk properly!
@Thug, dear i love hrithik and respect him. Dont make fan wars between 2 class actors and megastars fans. I support hrithik when over actor fans or bhojpuri fans bash him. I.support him when 60 cr club actor’s fans bash him. Why are you showing such frustrations about aamir verdicts. If you are real hrithik fan then stop this. Both fanaa and MP took record breaking openings. Thats a fact, and MP recovered its investment and even indicine said so in ranking article. Stop creating mess here.
@Thug abe o ulti khopdi ke akal ke andhe, aukaat me baat kar. Why dont you just do bhakti of your favorite and shut the crap up. No body asked your opinion. Fanaa and MP both took record breaking openings and MP was average grosser not a flop as it recovered it’s investment. If you don’t know anything than shut up. Stop being @Sunny akkiholic. If salman craps like ready which earn after unflations can be declared blockbusters than what is wrong if fanaa which was a record opener and did very well in long run is declared a blockbuster?
@thug
Check this page of indicine.
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/last-box-office-flop-of-bollywood-actors/
Last box office flop of Aamir was in 2000- Mela. Mangal Pandey was average at box office as it recovered it’s investment easily due to record opening and weekend.
Don’t give me stupid links of fan made websites and verdicts. My verdicts are according to BOI.
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I am here discussing about opening of films of the 3 Khans and not their lifetime verdicts, dumbass.
Opening is bcoz of actors, not directors which indicine is falsely giving to directors and franchise.
Next time, be a little smart before arguing with me.
I know you’re a Hrithik fan, I respect him and you better not start me there.
@Thug why dont you just keep the picture of greek cinema god and do his aarti every day and shut up. Nobody had asked ypur opinion. It was you who started your drama and interupted. If you dont know anything enough about bollywood then just shut up and stay quiet.
@Thug why don’t you just keep the picture of hrithik in your room and worship him and shut up? Hrithik wasnt part of this debate was he? I never knew so. If he is not even part of the debate then why are you interruping? Are you inspired by our very own great Fasal Kerala?
@Ishan Gulati you missed Delhi Belli. It was also super hit.